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What next for tech?

OUT-LAW Radio, 16/11/2006

We gaze into a crystal ball with a technology expert to see which technologies will earn the big bucks, and talk to a man being evicted because of a website.


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Hello and welcome to OUT-LAW Radio, the weekly podcast that keeps you up to date on all the twists and turns in the world of technology law.

Every week we bring you the latest news and in depth features that help you to make sense of the ever-changing laws that govern technology today.

My name is Matthew Magee, and coming up on this week's show we do a bit of crystal ball gazing and look at what's next for the technology industry.  And we talk to the Glasgow man who faces eviction over a website.

But first, the news.


  • Married information thieves ordered to pay nearly £15,000
  • Software patent refusal could go to House of Lords
  • Phishing kits banned by new Fraud Act

A married couple has been convicted of stealing personal data and selling it and has been ordered to pay £14,800 in fines and costs. Between them the pair were convicted of 25 cases of illegally obtaining and selling information.

The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO), which brought the case, said that it has begun an investigation into organisations which buy illegally-obtained information, which the Guardian Newspaper reports are likely to be private detective agencies.

By phoning organisations and often posing as employees, the couple were able to obtain bank account details, income tax information and ex-directory telephone numbers of their targets.

The businessman behind a patent application that failed on the grounds of being a software program has applied to appeal the case to the House of Lords.

Neal Macrossan is attempting to gain a UK patent for his invention, which is an automatic system for collating the forms needed to form a company.

Macrossan's application for a patent was refused by the Patent Office and appeals to both the Patent Office and the High Court failed.

The long-running case has been closely watched as a test of whether or not the law on software patents would change in the UK.

A new Anti-Fraud Bill has been passed into law for England and Wales which will close a number of loopholes , including one relating to phishing.

Currently, it is unlikely to be an offence to possess computer files in preparation for launching a phishing attack. This is where emails are sent in bulk, purporting to represent a well-known brand in the hope of sending victims to a bogus website that tricks them into disclosing bank account details. Phishing kits' have been available on the internet but the people behind them have become difficult to prosecute. It will become illegal to possess any software or data for use in a fraud under the new regime.

It follows the passing last week of a law that makes it an offence to launch a denial of service attack in the UK.

That was this week's OUT-LAW News.


These days, keeping up with the present is hard enough, but if you're in the technology business, you have to be constantly making informed guesses about the future. Are there viable business models behind social networking? Are we in an investment bubble, with web 2.0 fever replacing dot.com madness? Is there a future for traditional huge hunks of business software? And will Tesco topple Microsoft?

One man brave enough to answer these questions for OUT-LAW Radio and to make predictions as far ahead as 2010 is David Mitchell, an Analyst with technology research firm Ovum. He has put together a technology forecast, as Ovum does every year, predicting which of the current trends will be this decade's Google, and which will be its Netscape.

He started with the software market. He says that the market is on a growth spurt, but only in particular places. If you're in IT support, watch out.

DM: By end of the decade there will be a £6.44bn market for software in the UK. Which is a really substantial market.  So you are getting close to doubling the market size within sort of 7 years.  In terms of some of the key growth areas within software, particularly the business applications area, is going to stay growing. That is going to getting towards 9% growth all the way through 2010.  Largely driven by large manufacturers like Oracle, SAP and Microsoft bringing out new sets of products. Some of the areas that are growing less, so if we look at for example the support service marketplace, that is really growing at around 3% per annum through to the end of the decade, which is relatively flat. I mean if you subtract inflation from these figures, it is a relatively static market.

MM: Is there anything that companies in the services field can do, because there is a lot of them and some of them are quite big?

DM: I think it is looked to diversity.

MM: Get into products?

DM: Get into products, get into other service regimes, create IP and exploit IP.

Mitchell believes that the kind of convergence that sees Tesco selling software, IT companies selling telecoms products and telcos selling IT services is not going to take off. What will change the landscape in the world of big business software, is serious collaboration.

"Oracle versus SAP isn't Oracle versus SAP.  It's the Oracle ecosystem versus the SAP ecosystem and whatever collection of companies together work most collaboratively will win out.  Tapping into an effective ecosystem is a really good way for the next five years to make cash I think."

So what of the new new things, the web 2.0 businesses giving twenty-something silicon valley dwellers something to crow about for the first time since 2000. Is social networking a bust in the making, or is there gold in those collaborative hills? Mitchell says that when it comes to social networking companies, sometimes the business models develop almost by accident.

"Something like LinkedIn, social networking site, now is being used as a recruitment engine. The principal being most people like to hire from people they know or through a personal recommendation. If you have a six million subscriber database linked with personal recommendations you would pay for that. A 30 day notice for listing for something like 90 bucks. Very effective as a recruitment vehicle. Don't think anyone spotted that at the time. Now when that was created nobody publicly though this was a threat to the recruitment industry. You can imagine similar threats coming up say if you get accountancy communities that are self supporting for finance managers, does that have an impact on the accounting profession? If you get lawyers on-line, is it a threat to the legal profession? I think it has got most potential impact on some of the professions."

The sums being paid for firms, though, beggars belief. Youtube was sold for $1.65 billion of Google stock after only 18 months in business. Venture capital spending is higher than ever. Are we in another investment bubble?

DM: I think it's got some similarities in the late 1990s in that some of the dot.com deals people didn't know how quite to value them.  Therefore there was some very high valuations because valuation principles were unknown. Some of these ones are equally difficult to value. Actually I think some of these could prove not to be overpaid but they will need very careful engineering to make sure that the benefits come out. It does have some of the uncertainty of the late 90s but I don't think that it's got quite the silliness that late 90s had yet.

MM: But are you seeing much evidence of the financial community looking harder at deals than they did because that was a great failure the last time, was that the people that we looked to be experts in this lost ahead. Are we seeing the financial community look any harder this time round?

DM: A bit, I mean I was out in sort of Silicon Valley not last week but the week before and the week before that and if you are looking at putting together a tier one VC base deal at the moment if you mention the words software as a service and web 2.0 that's a good entry criteria. So I think there is a potential to have an amount of silliness crop in, there is a danger that that goes too far."


There are all sorts of ways that you can be sanctioned for what you write or publish on a website. You can be sued for libel, copyright infringement or prosecuted for incitement to racial hatred. One Glasgow man is facing an altogether different fate: he could be evicted because of a website he used to run.

John Quinn is a tenant of North Glasgow Housing Association. He used to run a website which carried some pretty stiff criticism of the Housing Association's activities. Six months ago he agreed to stop running the website, but now faces an eviction notice from the Housing Association because the site causes its staff distress.

JQ: The Housing Association are saying this website is anti-social behaviour. They are saying it is a threat to their staff and it is causing them distress. Now the website is a community website. It is about the problems in the community, and now they have actually threatened myself who is a tenant of the Association for speaking to the website and they have actually threatened to make me homeless. Now if they think it is defamatory then they should take a defamation action and not an eviction action.  To make someone homeless because what they are saying material is defamatory is wrong."

The Housing Association declined to speak to OUT-LAW, but issued a statement that said "We have taken appropriate action against this individual on grounds of harassment and anti-social behaviour. We have a duty to protect the rights of other tenants, committee members and staff who have been subjected to a continuous campaign of vexatious and unreasonable behaviour.

Quinn is active in his local community in trying to get the authorities, including the Housing Association, to combat anti-social behaviour, yet it is exactly this that he stands accused of.

JQ: I really find it astonishing. I mean I have reported quite a number of our tenants for anti-social behaviour for drug dealing, for putting baseball bats over people's heads and the Association have done nothing, yet because they see something on the internet, they want to make me homeless.

The site is still active, and Quinn says he long ago passed control of it to other residents. He still provides it with information, which he says he has every right to do.

JQ: I have met some individuals and I did offer them if they wanted to take it and I am happy to give them my person letters, continue to give them my stories but because the Housing Association have seen the website back up again, and they have seen my personal letters up there. It was upto the website if they wanted to publish it or not so it wasn't as if what I was saying was going directly on the internet, it was edited and it was really up to the editors of the website to decide that. So really the Housing Association just wanted me to shut up, it was as simple as that. They knew I was one of their vocal critics and there is one thing the Housing Association doesn't like is critics and as you can see they are trying to make me homeless because of this. I mean I think I'm entitled to speak to who I want to. I mean I'm speaking to you today at OUT-LAW, I've spoken to the BBC and there is really, you can't shut someone up. If they want to speak to someone that's their right.

The case is suspended while Quinn, who is represented by the Govan Law Centre, applies for Legal Aid to pay for Advocates. His defence is likely to centre on his rights under the Human Rights Act.

"This sets a precedent I think for freedom of speech and I think it could actually do something to the Human Rights law as a whole. I mean we are supposed to have one of the best Human Rights Law in the World. But I mean if a Housing Association can throw you out on the street because of what you have said on a website. I mean where does it stop? I think it is really an abusive of power."

John Quinn there.


Well, that's it for this week.  Thanks very much for listening.

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