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OUT-LAW Radio, 11/01/2007

We uncover evidence that Cisco could lose the rights to the iPhone trade mark in Europe, where Apple is next in line to register the name.


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Hello and welcome to out-law radio, the weekly podcast that keeps you up to date on all the twists and turns in the world of technology law.

Every week we bring you the latest news and in depth features that help you to make sense of the ever-changing laws that govern technology today.

My name is Matthew Magee, and coming up on this week's show we look at the controversy surrounding one simple letter: a lower case i. Has Apple gone too far in simply going ahead calling his new product the iPhone when Cisco already owns the name? Maybe not. We uncover evidence that Apple may in fact be able to wrestle control of the trade mark from Cisco after all.

But first, the news.


  • Wiki ordered to delete link to sensitive documents;
  • government ditches ID Card iris scans; and
  • Ryanair's Derry Airport deal to be exposed

A Wiki relating to a controversial prescription drug has been ordered by a US Court to remove a link to documents which originated with Eli Lilly, the drug's manufacturer.

The drug, Zyprexa, has been the subject of payouts by Eli Lilly in cases over its alleged side effects, which ongoing suits claim include weight gain and diabetes. Eli Lilly has already paid out $1.2 billion to settle suits before they reached Court.

A Wiki, or collaborative information website, about the controversy, zyprexa.pbwiki.com, published a link to internal Eli Lilly documents which the New York Times said showed that the company deliberately downplayed the alleged side effects of the drug.

The Judge in one of the product liability cases, Federal District Judge Jack Weinstein, ordered the site and a number of named individuals to refrain from distributing the documents or causing them to be distributed.

Digital rights group The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) defended the free speech rights of one anonymous poster in front of Weinstein but the Judge has reiterated his earlier decision. He will hear further arguments on 16th January.

Iris scans will not form part of the UK Government's planned identity card system the National Identity Register (NIR). The only biometric information to be held on the register will now be fingerprints, in contrast to previously stated plans.

The Home Office's strategic action plan for the National Identity Scheme, published in December, said that iris scans were now just an option, and only fingerprints will be taken from those enrolling in the scheme.

James Hall, the Chief Executive of the Identity and Passport Service, told IT Week that the decision was down to cost. "Collecting every biometric involves significant extra cost and I believe we can achieve the objective – securing people’s identities – without irises," he said.

A Home Office spokeswoman said that the Government would focus on facial and fingerprint recognition but that a return to iris scanning in the future would not be ruled out.

The move is the latest policy climb-down for the ID card scheme. The Government also announced in December that it would no longer be building one new single database on which the NIR would be stored. The information will sit on three existing Government databases.

Derry City Council must reveal the details of its deal with Ryanair on landing fees, the UK's Information Tribunal has ruled. The Council had argued that releasing the information would be economically detrimental to the area but it lost the case.

A journalist had requested information from the Council about the deal struck between it and Ryanair over the airline's use of Derry City Airport. The Council blacked out financial specifics contained in a fax from Ryanair outlining the deal, and the journalist complained to the Information Commissioner.

The Council argued that it was permitted to keep the information private under exemptions contained in the Act which protect information that would damage an area's economic interest, but the Information Commissioner and then the Tribunal over-ruled it.

Ryanair has previously been involved in disputes about its deals with airports. The European Commission had found that the Local Authority behind Charleroi airport had provided un-notified assistance to Ryanair which broke EU rules.

That was this week's Out-Law News.


Steve Jobs always has a surprise for the Apple devotees that gather to hear him launch products in San Francisco. Even when launching technology's worst kept secret, the Apple mobile telephone, he left the crowd gasping with his audacity: he called it the iPhone, even though everyone knew that the rights to that name were owned by router giant Cisco.

Incurring the wrath of Cisco, a lawsuit in California and the bafflement of intellectual property experts everywhere, Jobs looks to have made a rare tactical slip.

The area is fraught with complexity. A trade mark is what a company uses to protect a brand, but it's a slippery thing – it relates only to a specific geographical area and only to specific areas of business. You can lose the rights to it if you don't actually use the trade mark, so Cisco do not automatically get to keep the rights to iPhone forever.

Lee Curtis, a trade marks specialist with Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind Out-Law, explains the history of how Cisco came to own the trade mark in the US and in Europe.

"Cisco purchased InfoGear I think in 2000 and InfoGear were the proprietors of a US trade mark registration for iPhone dating from 1996 for various computer software relating to telephones and in the community in the European Union Cisco Systems also own a community trade mark registration for the mark iPhone phone as well, dating slightly later but they are the proprietors of that right. My understanding is that Apple did approach Cisco for consent to use iPhone and they have been in negotiations for a number of months. Apple have filed various applications in the US and in the European Union to attempt to register iPhone but they are all pending at present and they actual postdate Cisco's or InfoGear's rights."

Historically it all seemed to be pointing Cisco's way, but Curtis has spotted a loophole which could strip Cisco of its European rights.

In Europe a person can lodge a revocation application against a trade mark registration if it hasn't been used for the past five years. On exactly the same day last December that Cisco launched its iPhone a German law firm, CMS, lodged a revocation application.

In the preceding five years Out-Law can find no use of iPhone by InfoGear or Cisco, which means its holding of the trade mark is under threat in Europe.

If CMS's revocation application is deemed to have taken place before Cisco's use, then Cisco will lose the trade mark rights. Apple is next in the queue, having the oldest outstanding application, from 2002.

But even if the revocation is said to have taken place later in the day than Cisco's launch, a specific provision comes into play that will still likely put the trade mark in Apple's hands.

Curtis explains: Under the European Trade Mark Directive which is the basis of the Community Trade Mark Regulation which governs this CTM Registration which Cisco owns, any use made in the three month period before the application for revocation is disregarded, unless there were actual plans for resumption of use before the Trade Mark owner became aware that an application for revocation might be filed. So the crucial question is when did Cisco become aware that they might be applying to revoke.

MM: So if this German law firm's revocation is successful, Apple get the trade mark in Europe?

LC: And if they win those oppositions which these three other parties have filed against them, if they win the oppositions and they win the revocation action, then Apple will get the rights.

The astonishing outcome of some extremely detailed and complicated legal wrangling could be that Apple will own the rights to iPhone in Europe, while Cisco owns it in the US. This will significantly strengthen Apple's hand and give it negotiating clout.

Apple is still set to try other arguments, though. The other argument Apple may make is that it has such a strong brand association with putting a lower case i in front of anything they launch that they have rights to the term iPhone. Again says Curtis, history is on Cisco's side.

"The rights to iPod actually date from 2001 to the best of my knowledge so after the iPhone rights in the US and in the European Union so they can't claim, oh we came up with iPod and you just traded off iPod based on iPhone, that's not tenable. One argument that Apple might have is well they came up with iMac etc, they would be on reasonably weak grounds because effectively then although Apple's rights in iMac date from before InfoGear's rights, they would effectively then have to be claiming exclusive rights to the prefix i, which I think would be pushing matters slightly, therefore I don't think Apple have a great chance of cancelling on the basis of prior rights."

Apple had tried hard to win the rights to iPhone, even forming a shell company to act on its behalf, according to Cisco's law suit, and it says it is confident of victory in Cisco's court case. A spokeswoman told US reporters that it is "the first company ever to use iPhone for a cell phone. If Cisco wants to challenge us on it, we're confident we'll prevail".

Curtis is not so sure that Apple's fine distinction between VOIP phones and mobile phones will wash with a court.

"The basic scenario is you have to look at the nature of the product, what use they are put to and the trade channels through they are sold that deem whether they are similar or not. I think it's not a particularly tenable argument to put forward that the products aren't similar. They are telephone products and people would associate them."

Perhaps the most surprising thing about this mess of conflicting rights, of claim and counter claim, is that Apple is at the heart of it. Pinsent Masons e-Commerce specialist Gavin McGinty says that confusion like this is uncharacteristic, and relatively easily avoided.

"I think what we are seeing here is Apple who are usually very good at managing their brand and usually very good at managing their marketing campaigns, struggling with another big player in the market, and I think they could have a real fight on their hands. I mean I think what this demonstrates is that there is a real need for the brand profile and the trade mark portfolio to be considered at the same time as the technology is developed and probably long before the marketing cogs start to turn."

Few think that the case will run its course. A settlement is inevitable. Though experts believe that that could run to tens of millions of dollars, the legal web uncovered by OUT-LAW could save Apple a fortune. Perhaps the audacious Jobs knew this all along.

That's all we have time for this week, thanks for listening.


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Out-Law Radio was produced and presented by Matthew Magee for international law firm Pinsent Masons.

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