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A new domain to combat phishing

OUT-LAW Radio, 24/05/2007

We hear from a leading light in the security industry on a planned top-level domain that aims to scupper phishing attacks.


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This transcript is for anyone with a hearing impairment or who for any other reason cannot listen to the MP3 audio file.

The following is the text spoken by OUT-LAW journalist Matthew Magee.


Hello and welcome to OUT-LAW Radio the weekly podcast that keeps you up-to-date on all the twists and turns in the world of technology law. Every week we bring you the latest news and in-depth features that help you to make sense of the ever-changing laws that govern technology today.

My name is Matthew Magee, and this week we talk to one of the top men at F-Secure who has a plan that could make online banking safer for all of us.

But first, the news:


  • European Commission proposes anti-ID theft law;
  • Google wins thumbnail image copyright dispute; and
  • new European litigation agreement skirts defamation controversy

The European Commission is considering new legislation against identity theft. The proposal is contained in a just-published policy on EU-wide plans to fight cybercrime.

The European Commission's policy on fighting cybercrime in Europe is the product of many years of consultation and focuses on greater co-operation between European police forces.

Though the Commission said that it did not believe that new legislation would be useful at this stage in stopping the fast growth of cybercrime, it said that it will consider anti-ID theft laws later this year.

Overall, the Commission said that its cybercrime fighting policies would depend on improved co-operation and communication between law enforcement bodies across Europe.

A US court has ruled that Google's creation and display of thumbnail images does not infringe copyright. It also said that Google was not responsible for the copyright violations of other sites which it frames and links to.

The US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit overturned a preliminary injunction that was imposed against Google in March. But it left some significant questions open, and sent them back to the lower court to be ruled on there. That court must decide whether or not Google was given sufficiently specific notice of infringing images and whether or not it should have taken them down.

The case had been taken by Perfect 10, a subscription internet service whose business is selling access to pictures of nude models. It had alleged that Google's Image Search service infringed its copyright in those pictures.

The wording of a new European law controlling where cross-border disputes can be heard has been agreed by two warring EU government bodies, but only after the most controversial part of the new law, known as Rome II, was set to one side.

The European Parliament and the Council of Ministers have been in dispute since 2003 over rules that would govern what court should hear disputes where no contract is in place. Typical disputes are traffic accidents, product liability, environmental damage and defamation.

Privacy and defamation have been the focus of disputes between the bodies but the agreement skirts that issue; it has been excluded from the agreement altogether and will form part of the "review" to be conducted at a later date.

The European Commission has been asked to produce a study on the defamation issue by the end of 2008.

That was this week's OUT-LAW news.


When someone says they have been a victim of a phishing attack – with a p-h – they don't mean they have been punched by a trawler man who can't spell. What they probably mean is that someone has emailed them pretending to be their bank and has directed them to a fake online banking website.

There, they make you type in your username and passwords which they record and use at the real bank site to clean you out.

It is a massive and growing problem, but Mikko Hypponen, the chief research officer from Finnish information security firm F-Secure, thinks he has an answer: a new internet domain reserved only for banks, called ".bank".

A domain would cost thousands rather that just a handful of dollars, and an applicant's credentials would be fully checked out. It could, he says, put a serious dent in the number and seriousness of phishing attacks.

First, Hypponen told OUT-LAW Radio what the problems are with .com addresses. It all starts with domain names that appear as if they should belong to banks, but don’t:

Mikko Hypponen: Domains like PayPalLogin.com or BankofAmericaverification.com, these are registered with big names, non-existent addresses and typically stolen credit card numbers. The problem is because of the way .com works and has always worked, nobody bothers to check out who you are and if your data actually checks out. If you are paying with a valid credit card you get the domain, its yours and of course what they are doing next is that they set up a fake bank website on that domain name and then sending out phishing emails redirecting people there and since the transfer is realistic and the domain looks okay people fall for it.

No matter how many reminders, threats or guides that banks send out about odd-looking emails that seem to be from them, people are still being scammed in their thousands. Hypponen says a radical solution is required.

Mikko Hypponen: We are not going to be able to fix this with .com. It’s way beyond the stage where it could be fixed so why not set up totally new top level domain like .bank or .safe, .secure, something like that where you couldn’t just get any domain? If you want, lets say Citibank domain, you have to be Citibank and they will double check that you really are who you claim to be and they will double check that your registration data and address are valid and really exist which would result in a situation where if you see a domain like www.citi.bank you would know that this is the real domain, this belongs to who it looks like it belongs because no one else can get it.

A dedicated domain would help online banking users to avoid dodgy fake bank sites, but could also prove a boon to the computer programs that check all the world's emails for spoofing, phishing and fraud.

Mikko Hypponen: This system of having a secure trustworthy top level domain wouldn’t just be there to benefit the users, it would also help the work of security companies like ours and it would help security programs like anti-phishing tools and anti-phishing filters work. For example a phishing filter sees an email which talks about banks things and accounting and has key phrases like please log in and there is a link to a site, and its linked to a .bank site well then this part is real because it’s a real domain and its then true. If its something else then its suspect.

Domains would cost up to $50,000 a time, partly as a disincentive to fakers and partly to pay for the checks and administration involved in making sure that an applicant for a domain was a legitimate financial institution.

There are problems, though, that Hypponen's proposal would not solve. A bank may well operate a .bank domain, but they are very unlikely to stop operating their .com one. Customers who habitually use the .com address and will still be vulnerable to .com based phishing. Hypponen recognises his plan's limitations.

Mikko Hypponen: It would help for the users who care about the URLs and who know how to read the URLs but the vast majority don’t have the skills and they wouldn’t know the difference in any case. So that’s not really the main point of the whole thing. My main point is, do we think that we don’t really need a top level domain where we could actually trust the information on who says its registered to, because right now we don’t have a system like that. Anybody can register any available domain for five bucks and claim to be anyone else and register a fake name or the wrong organisation’s name and that’s okay. So do we really think we don’t need a system where we could trust the information on the domain names. There are people who start to poke holes into immediately because it wouldn’t be a cure-all, it will not take away phishing as a problem, and like we discussed it won’t, it will solve a particular subset of the problems and it would help solving the rest of the problems but we would still have phishing as a problem. There are commentaries out there opposing the idea because it wouldn’t fix the problem once and for all but I’m afraid we will never be able to find a solution that would fix this problem once and for all.

Another problem is that domains can be 'spoofed', which means that people who don't own a .bank address could make it seem as though they do. Again, Hypponen says that his plan is not a catch-all solution.

Mikko Hypponen: There are ways to do that and a very typical way we actually see being used in phishing email today is for example if they wanted to spoof you to go to Barclays for example, the URL would be www.barclays.co.uk.something.something.com so it will look to you, it looks, it says, www.barclays but it actually continues so the real domain is something.com and there just are sub-hosts in the domain name that makes it look like a real domain and even if we have the new top level domain system like the one we are now suggesting, this problem would still be there.

The body in charge of top level domains is ICANN, which would need any proposal to be sponsored by industry. Hypponen thinks that it would be more appropriate if it were sponsored by the banking industry than the security one, so the idea has some way to go yet. Hypponen says he just wanted to get the plan off the ground.

Mikko Hypponen: What we are really doing right now at this stage is to ring the bell and wake different parties up and see if they agree with us that this would be a good idea and then try to find someone to take the ball and take it to Icann and get this done.

That's all we have time for this week, thanks for listening.


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